We discuss the history of great prospects, changes in the draft process, value in later draft selections, and also attempt to list the best prospects to ever come into the league. #178: The best Age 21 and younger seasons in NBA history #178: The best Age 21 and younger . However, both in terms of box score (backpicks.com BPM), scoring (22 points per 75, +7% efficiency), scaleability, passing/playmaking numbers (Passer Rating, Box Creation), and in terms of looking at the impact Mark had in Cleveland when he missed time with injuries compared to when he played (WOWY, as mentioned previously), he looked like an early 90s prototype of Steve Nash. Ben Taylor from Thinking Basketball examines how Stephen Currys Game 7 performance vs the Sacramento Kings perfectly represented his evolution as an offensive player for the Warriors throughout his career! Great motor, key member on some very good teams. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thinking-basketball/support, #203: Surprise! Borderline weak-MVP level. Sportsnet's Elliotte Friedman initially reported the teams were "discussing possibilities that could benefit the Blackhawks and ease the Bruins' cap situation." Hall had 16 goals and 20 assists in 61 games . The analytic community in hockey could learn a thing or 100 from this pod. Check out Ben's successful YouTube Channel, purchase his book. He made a Tony Parker comp in the previous top 75 pod and people got mad at him, but there aren't a lot of people in NBA history like TP and AI who are LIGHTNING-FAST basketball players, who can apply pressure at the rim, who have some ability to score in the midrange, who aren't great outside shooters, don't really do a ton off-ball (though AI does way more than TP), and aren't really positive defenders. Access exclusive benefits with a paid membership. With @codyhoudek. Strong offensive player, was on a bunch of good Nuggets offenses for a while, had a pretty solid career. Support atwww.patreon.com/thinkingbasketball --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thinking-basketball/support. THE "Z" SHOW 628 subscribers 2.1K views 2 years ago The "Z" Show Zach is joined by Ben. And so, Ben thinks about how his career would've looked like that next to a dominant big man or something and they were a moderately good offensive team that needed someone to play huge minutes. We discuss the history of great prospects, changes in the draft process, value in later draft selections, and also attempt to list the best prospects to ever come into the league. Because a huge part of AI's impact in the NBA's cultural zeitgiest was stealing a game from the 2001 Lakers and the step over Ty Lue, but what if none of that ever got the chance to happen? I think frankly if you took away those guys that had to take up spots by carrying over from the top 50 list, I wonder how many of these guys would've slotted in. Ben likes Manu's peak better, so he squeaks in ahead of TP. Ben likes Amare and thinks he has a solid peak, but not an all-time-great one and he wasn't really considered for this list at all. NBA draft report cards: Spurs, Rockets among teams that hit it big Legit superstar, awesome peak, shorter longevity. Also, centers only had two All-NBA spots back then not 3 like nowadays, and one was permanently taken up by this fella named Kareem, so all the other 7-footers were fighting over the remaining one. If you're just gonna go like 'Oh, Bill Walton should obviously be on this list based on what he was able to do in Portland', then, I'm not saying you have to have Jokic's peak above Bill Walton's, but why would you not have to apply the exact same criteria to Jokic? This goes back to mis-casting players and archetypes and having kind of a plain name like Mark Price and being a short little floppy speedy white fella running around and playing on a pretty balanced team. Been listening to this show for a while now and was a huge fan, but incorporating one line TV references has really taken this show to the next level. NBA on Twitter: "Ben Taylor (@ElGee35) of 'Thinking Basketball' breaks Very very good all-around player. With ALLLLL that being said. Support atwww.patreon.com/thinkingbasketball --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thinking-basketball/support, #198: Denver's defense & adaptive coaching in the playoffs, We discuss Denver's great defense Phoenix through 2 games, the role of Big Wings in the playoffs and adaptive coaching in a playoff series. I just.. it's confusing to me. Is it even fair to expect today's prospects to compete with more certain rookies from the past? Also, Ben Wallace WAS NEARLY ADDED IN. Support atwww.patreon.com/thinkingbasketball--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thinking-basketball/support. Keep up the great work! | By The "Z" Show | Facebook Log In Forgot Account? Also, he never got the MVP love that his teammate Paul Arizin did; plus, they had another guy named Tom Gola who was an all around player and he got more MVP love too. ", 71 Russell Westbrook STAYS IN. "), 59 Vince Carter IS ADDED IN. Beyond players, he mentors successful head coaches and executives in the NBA, along with some NBA agents, and he . #202: How valuable are big men in the playoffs? The Pacers need to improve their shooting and defense, and the 19-year-old looks like the draft's top three-and-D forward prospect. Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thinking-basketball/support With @codyhoudek. who are the 40 best peaks? And I think it comes back to something that came up with Unseld and Hayes, it's just when you go through and try to create a list like this, I think it's gotta feel a certain way as a voter, and I think everything's that happened in the last decade with Dwight, the taste is so sour that I think, erroneously, they're un-doing how good he was. Access podcast extras and Patreon-only posts on www.thinkingbasketball.net -- these often consist of additional research and deep-dive thoughts that don't make it into videos or podcasts. Thinking Basketball's smartest plays of the season | NBA.com He won Finals MVP despite averaging 9.5 points (7th most points on the team lol) and 12 rebounds because of this reputation carried throughout his career (from his rookie season onwards, when he won MVP) as the sage wise leader, a good passer etc. Support atwww.patreon.com/thinkingbasketball--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thinking-basketball/support, #211: Victor Wembanyama & the best prospects ever, Is Victor Wembanyama the best prospect ever? Luka returns to the floor tonight when the Mavericks host the Rockets at 8:30pm/et on the NBA App. With @codyhoudek. All-time scorer. I think Draymond had the argument for like a top 7 player in the league and I think we're looking at Lillard's peak and I don't think there's much of an argument for him to crack the top 9" (Cody: "I like this pick lol, it's shocking and seems like a hot take but I think Dame being on this list is already actually pretty hot, and Dray being on shouldn't be as hot as it seems") Ben: "I will say that Lillard, his longevity is sneaky, he's nearly there! If I remember correctly, George was traded for Bobby Jones, who was more of a connector piece or finisher on offence than George was. Thinking Basketball: How Tatum is more efficient than ever | NBA.com Why is scoring down in the playoffs? In 2014, He became the Head Basketball Coach at Christopher High School. Includes top players, playmakers, scorers, player tendencies, plus-minus data, team data and more throughout the season, -A monthly Live Q&A with me on the Thinking Basketball Discord forum, Creating NBA videos, podcasts and analytics. As we learn more about the game, we can learn to evaluate players better, and more players can and should be sorted in and out of the list as voters become smarter and more informed (he goes more into this in the pod), Ben's Criteria: Career value. For instance, his teammate on the Nets, Super John Williamson was a prolific and respected three point shooter. Ben Taylor, creator of the popular YouTube channel Thinking Basketball (and author of Thinking Basketball the book) goes deeper on basketball analysis, history, philosophy and theory with a variety of guests ranging from journalists to former players. Thinking Basketball 209 Episodes Share Follow Episodes About 48 minutes | Jun 14, 2023 #210: NBA Finals Game 5 The Nuggets win the title, the Heatiest heat game, Denver's defense, and Nikola Jokic's 2023 season stacked up historically against the greats. 26 Alex English IS ADDED IN. Ben Taylor from Thinking Basketball examines how LeBron James' evolution as a shooter and overall player helped him break the all-time scoring record. The 2023 NBA Draft was full of intriguing storylines, trades and surprises. But the Spurs being able to take generational French talent Victor Wembanyama puts them at the head of the class. BTW, he's an international player and the lack of international players is something Ben disagrees strongly with with the list. (Rule of thumb: if you're top 50 longevity, you're pretty safe in Ben's opinion. 6 through 16. "Oh yeah! Great longevity. From Kareem Abdul-Jabbar to Michael Jordan to. AI still makes it. See options Become a member Access exclusive benefits with a paid membership. LSU gives Florida a taste of its own medicine to secure the seventh Men's College World Series championship in program history. Plus, the Nets fascinating double-team tactics, the Suns-Clippers approach, Jamal Murray and Anthony Edwards duel, and and the UCLA Russell Westbrook. In terms of an impact-perspective, that Philly team wasn't even that good, it was a really weak Eastern Conference, and they snuck into the Finals by the skin of their teeth and didn't have much success afterwards. . The efficiency, the shot selection, diversity of attack --- TMac probably settled for a few too many 14-21 footers especially off the crossover or getting into that little stepback that he loved - it's one of those things where you make the shot and it looks gorgeous and great on highlights but when you make it 38-40% of the time and another guy takes it less but makes it 45% of the time, that's the big difference. Ben: "So I think Howard is in a way the biggest snub because he's got a career & a peak argument. Support atwww.patreon.com/thinkingbasketball--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thinking-basketball/support, The Nuggets win the title, the Heatiest heat game, Denver's defense, and Nikola Jokic's 2023 season stacked up historically against the greats. Some questions Ben has: what's his defensive value, and how good of a shooter is he? He's probably the most under-discussed offensive player in NBA history. Ben feels like it was kind of absurd that he didn't make it. Dennis Rodman IS OUT, barely. I mean Dwight Howard you would expect. Thinking Basketball | Podcast on Spotify He's an absolutely unbelievable offensive player. Also, this is a great listen-- https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/51-klay-vs-miller-vs-allen-great-debates/id1428290303?i=1000470933429, 41 Scottie Pippen STAYS IN https://backpicks.com/2018/01/29/backpicks-goat-23-scottie-pippen/, 42 David Robinson STAYS IN. https://www.backpicks.com/tag/paul-pierce/, 58 Tracy McGrady IS ADDED IN. We take stock in player's around the league who have moved up (or down) in our minds thus far in the postseason, including a discussion on consistent players versus up-and-down players. Neil Johnston IS NEARLY ADDED IN. Support atwww.patreon.com/thinkingbasketball--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thinking-basketball/support. ), 13 Nate Thurmond STAYS IN. He was extremely close to edging Cousy: Cousy won the MVP, but the MVP voting from that time isn't necessarily trustworthy (Cousy had terrible efficiency and turned it over a bunch and was a subpar defender). 47 Alonzo Mourning IS ADDED IN. BTW, he was compared to Magic, and it was a decent comparison in the sense that they both had an excellent feel for team offense; Magic was a better passer while Penny was more of a scorer but both were offensive-savants at their size. Support atwww.patreon.com/thinkingbasketballSignup with the code THINKING BASKETBALL at sportsbusinessclassroom.com for $300 off. The larger dots mean more minutes played: Youll see a button that says hide visualization (or show), which allows you to hide the graph and look at a larger table view. Players his style with hyper-athleticism have had that happen, but he's also one of these guys that we've talked about that is polarising - he's got extreme strengths and some extreme weaknesses, mainly with his shot-selection and ot a certain degree, defense. So, are centers less valuable than they used to be? Cousy's longevity probably is the tie-breaker, from what I can tell. Thinking Basketball's smartest plays of the season | NBA.com An athletic force, great first step and speed and ability to get to the basket, long strides, extreme shin angle (shoutout Dave DuFour), finishing at the rim, good passer, good playmaker, could almost play a heliocentric system with him, zero doubt he was a superstar player and one of the better players in the world when he was healthy. Breaking down J.B. Bickerstaff's play-calling and his utilization of the Cavaliers' size, movement and screening abilities. How Taylor Hendricks took path less traveled to NBA Draft - New York Post 54 Allen Iverson STAYS IN. Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thinking-basketball/support, Our resident draft expert Chip Jones breaks down the 2023 NBA lottery picks, sleepers, and what teams had the best night in a class highlighted by Victor Wembanyama and Scoot Henderson at the top. 48 Anfernee (Penny) Hardaway IS ADDED IN. With @codyhoudek. However, Ben strongly disagrees with keeping the old 50 essentially apparently all being voted in again. And this to Ben is why this guy has some of the best +/- numbers and impact numbers basically ever on record. Unsure if his peak is necessarily high enough (prob top 5-10 in the 70s, roughly), but then he also had a nice decade of success in Detroit. "I- Cody I gotta tell ya, I deliberated a lot more than I thought I would on Russell Westbrook. (Note, this will also scoop up players who arent on the team who have BOS in their name.) Hayes was Wes' teammate in the frontcourt for about a decade on solid but not spectacular Washington teams. With @codyhoudek. #193: What changed after the first playoff weekend? Jazz take UCF's Taylor Hendricks in first round of NBA draft - Sun Sentinel In this case, Ive used the select stats dropdown in the upper right to make team offense the X-axis and a players on-court offensive rating the Y-axis. Is Erik Spoelstra the best coach ever? Access producer benefits AND the following: -All my propriety stats in one place for every player and team since 1955, including the Backpicks Box Plus-Minus model, advanced team stats before 1974 and series by series stats for players since 2001. Just thought I'd share this for anyone who wasn't keen to listen to the whole episode (I'd suggest listening anyway at like 1.5 speed, it was really interesting and not everything Ben said made it; I basically only included his actual list but there was a lotta fun content on the edges that I didn't include), Podcast by guest Cody Houdek and host Ben Taylor, who runs the Thinking Basketball YouTube channel and wrote the Backpicks Top 40, Pod link: https://twitter.com/ElGee35/status/1451671346820182019, Btw, there was a bunch of stuff about other players who didn't make it onto Ben's list but DID make the actual list (Pistol Pete etc.) 60 Pau Gasol IS ADDED IN. Ben didn't find this a particularly hard choice. Clearly the best center in the league for a solid stretch of time. With @codyhoudek. I think this goes back to even the argument for including Rodman, but like Draymond's package, plus his passing, playing the de-facto point-guard for GS at his peak -- remember, there was a time when he could shoot and score a little bit and was actually decent on offense! traffic paradoxes and other metaphors highlight this thought-provoking insight into the NBA and our own thinking. The Basketball Podcast: EP249 with Ben Taylor on Thinking Basketball He was my favourite player on one of my two favourite teams back then. Support atwww.patreon.com/thinkingbasketball --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thinking-basketball/support, We break down Denver's Game 1 win over the Heat, and how they used size and transition to create mismatches. Ben Taylor Quotes (Author of Thinking Basketball) 4 quotes from Ben Taylor: 'All told, championship rings are no more a measure of a player's performance than his jersey sales. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_5ZhbbDvQg and https://backpicks.com/2018/02/05/backpicks-goat-15-david-robinson/. Thinking Basketball | NBA.com (Cody: 7 All-NBA games is a very high number, too. Support atwww.patreon.com/thinkingbasketball --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thinking-basketball/support, #195: Warriors twin towers & Cavs+Grizz on the brink, Can you play 2 big men in today's playoffs? when Magic missed games, while Worthy didn't elevate his scoring rate that much, he did ramp up his playmaking and Lakers still had a decent offense. Ben just thinks people harp on the team he played on, and the way he played, and the efficiency he generated, and it creates the polarisation, because one group says he averaged 30 and made the finals therefore he's a god, & the other group says he didn't even have league average efficiency therefore he's a bum, and for Ben the truth lies somewhere in the middle because he's a flawed but dynamic and complicated offensive player that has a lot of strengths and some weaknesses and decent longevity. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thinking-basketball/support, We recap the wild Eastern Conference Finals and discuss Nuggets-Heat: Will we see the zone? There was no surprise at No. Reasoning: More impactful than Neil, justifiably got more MVP love too. With @codyhoudek. Dennis doesn't have the peak to get in on peak alone, but his career-value from the longevity standpoint gets him into the "bubble" where you start splitting hairs great defender, transitioned into a pretty valuable and hyper-scaleable offensive piece later on as he started hyper-focusing on rebounding and became an awesome ceiling-raiser. Im currently hovering over Joel Embiid, so he highlights in green on the graph: As youll below, we currently have player stats that include our in-house metrics for scoring, playmaking, and overall effectiveness (our Box Plus-Minus, or BPM model), along with popular public impact metrics, offensive and defensive stats, stats for effectiveness and frequency around the rim, midrange and outside shooting and team-level stats. Also, if possible, trying to include a smattering of a few of the best at each area of the game (scoring, playmaking, defense, shooting). Unseld has the "scaleability" argument going for him so that probably sliiiightly tips him over the edge.). The Stitcher apps and web listening will be shutting down on Aug 29. I wanted people in that class, and I think he's right on the edge of it." With @codyhoudek. By supporting creators you love on Patreon, you're becoming an active participant in their creative process. !-- he was just insanely good at his peak, and it's the reason why I think he's at an All-Star level even now (when his scoring has completely declined). Just click on a players name, (or on a players dot on the graph), and itll bring up a summary card with every stat we use and the players percentiles relative to the rest of the league, organized by category: Underneath filters, you can view a specific team. Honestly, I didn't even think much about it. Ben Taylor from Thinking Basketball analyzes the brilliant passing of Nikola Jokic and puts his skills in context among some of the games all-time best. Home About About Us Chris Alex Jen Our content Podcasts Blog Members area Courses Video Events Coach Academy With @codyhoudek. And it is exactly this question that "Thinking Basketball" host Ben Taylor is asking rhetorically in his latest video "Jayson Tatum - the 3 . He made his playoff debut as an NBA referee in 2019. Ben Taylor was interested in basketball from a young age. And so all of this stuff where you can get catch-and-shoot stuff with AI, you can get this movement off-ball but how good was he actually at knocking them down? Ben still isn't very sure. https://twitter.com/ElGee35/status/1441493128658100235, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYYR4imoi-I, https://backpicks.com/2018/01/18/backpicks-goat-29-reggie-miller/, https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/51-klay-vs-miller-vs-allen-great-debates/id1428290303?i=1000470933429, https://backpicks.com/2018/01/29/backpicks-goat-23-scottie-pippen/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_5ZhbbDvQg, https://backpicks.com/2018/02/05/backpicks-goat-15-david-robinson/, https://backpicks.com/2018/03/08/goat-36-40/, https://backpicks.com/2018/02/26/backpicks-goat-18-dirk-nowitzki/, https://www.backpicks.com/tag/paul-pierce/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvTPxCOfjdE. Long term, wed like to keep adding new features and statistical tools whenever we can. How did he not make it???" Ben Taylor from Thinking Basketball breaks down why Scoot Henderson is considered one of the top prospects in the 2023 NBA Draft. Okay, here's the simplest way to describe Jokic's standing. 2023 NBA draft: how to watch the next wave of basketball talent find Ben just likes Worthy more as a player: peak, skillset, awesome value on high level teams, amazing in transition, one of the best post scorers ever, plays off-ball and on-ball, underrated passer/playmaker, e.g. Ben Taylor, creator of the popular YouTube channel Thinking Basketball (and author of Thinking Basketball the book) goes deeper on basketball analysis, history, philosophy and theory with a variety of guests ranging from journalists to former players. 22 Bob Lanier IS ADDED IN. Ben Taylor from Thinking Basketball examines how LeBron James' evolution as a shooter and overall player helped him break the all-time scoring record. Thinking Basketball - YouTube All of the plus-minus footprints that we have, whether it's the game-level or play-by-play level or Adjusted +/- (APM) or whatever, or just looking at his team's defensive ratings when he leaves and joins different teams to Ben, this is a decade straight of All-Star play, with a roughly All-NBA peak, and that's just enough longevity to make the list. With @codyhoudek. Breaking down Zion Williamson's return and why he's poised to become 1 of the best offensive weapons in the NBA this year. One of my favorite areas to keep an eye on is a teams previous month, where its easy to see who is playing well, and really easy to see who is hot (or cold) relative to the rest of their season. Bleacher Report: Final 2023 NBA Mock Draft and full 2-round predictions (Not a great defender mind you so doesn't rly match lebron in any way there), 53 Ray Allen STAYS IN https://backpicks.com/2018/03/08/goat-36-40/. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. for more details. 40 Reggie Miller STAYS IN. I mean they just got nothing. Plus, Jamal Murray is on fire and the incredible Jimmy Butler 5-on-4 injury situation with Tom Thibodeau and the Knicks. Support atwww.patreon.com/thinkingbasketball --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thinking-basketball/support, #209: NBA Finals Game 4 | Jokic's defense, We discuss Nikola Jokic's defense, the Nuggets role players and more in our Game 4 breakdown. Read and React: Ben Taylor on Scoring Blindness, Brooklyn's - Apple Interestingly, Mark Price WAS NEARLY ADDED IN. Hollinger & Duncan NBA Show - NBA Basketball Podcast. 'Get it done': An inside look at how the Timberwolves secured Naz Reid Ben Taylor ( @ElGee35) joins the pod to talk: His method of valuing players. Scan this QR code to download the app now. Now, Manu will be in a future Thinking Basketball YouTube video so the full numbers will be revealed there, but when you look at all the numbers, when you look at Manu's performance when Parker's out and he has to do the heavy lifting, oh he's really good at that. In addition to a facelift, weve also made major upgrades to our stats tools. Welcome to the new Thinking Basketball dot net! ", 73 Damian Lillard IS OUT, very very barely, and from the same draft class, Draymond Green IS ADDED IN. With AI, what Ben's saying is he thinks AI's role as a 2nd guy is actually slightly underrated, like when he went to Denver, he was actually okay playing with Melo, but Ben doesn't know if he can necessarily shift his game like James Worthy could to star on a championship level offense. Note: Bill Walton has a monster, top 15ish-all-time peak, he's easily in. Thinking Basketball: How Steph's offensive evolution has impacted the Warriors! This goes back to the Unseld thing to a degree, because Ben doesn't think either of these guys has a peak to get in based on peak, though Wilkins does have more longevity. Ben Taylor, creator of the popular YouTube channel Thinking Basketball (and author of Thinking Basketball the book) goes deeper on basketball analysis, history, philosophy and theory with a variety of guests ranging from journalists to former players. Thinking Basketball: How LeBron's longevity fueled his rise He also maybe did have slightly better longevity than Sharman. ), and he was very close to getting booted out of the league after his disastrous Spurs season, there's enough uncertainty there to make it extremely close either way. Where does Devin Booker's play rank? Okay now if you compare Manu and TP, from a longevity perspective they're both really similar. If you are having difficulty accessing any . Ben Taylor of 'Thinking Basketball' breaks down how Zion's - Facebook As for Dominique, he's got great longevity as mentioned previously.

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